Update: Roseville School Board Closes Session Reportedly for Hockey Probe Report
Some parents have alleged bullying by coaches.
The Roseville School Board met in a closed-door session prior to its regular Tuesday meeting to reportedly receive findings from the district's probe into parent complaints regarding two hockey coaches.
While board members didn't share the gist of that secret session, there were plenty of comments about the issue from the public during the board's open forum.
Before the executive session, School Board Chairwoman Kitty Gogins told Roseville Patch, "The meeting is being closed pursuant to Minnesota Statute 13D.05, Subd 2(b) to consider allegations or charges against an individual subject to School Board authority."
Asked prior to the closed-door session if the meeting was about the hockey probe of two Roseville High School boys hockey coaches, Gogins responded, "I have not and can not confirm or deny which individuals subject to School Board authority will be discussed in the closed session this evening. To do so would be in violation of data privacy law."
However Gogins said she was able to confirm that "complaints exist regarding the head and assistant hockey coaches. The status of the complaints is that an investigation is in progress."
In February, school district authorities confirmed they were investigating parental complaints about two boys varsity hockey coaches at Roseville High School.
"Complaints have been made regarding employees Jeff Pauletti and Carl Hamre," Karen Schaub, school district spokeswoman, told Roseville Patch then. She declined further comment, noting the specifics of the case were confidential under the Minnesota Government Data Practices Act.
Contacted by Roseville Patch in February, Pauletti said the district has advised him not to comment on the investigation. "I wish I could, but I can't," he said
During Tuesday night's regular, open meeting, four citizens spoke about the hockey probe.
Felicia Busch, a parent who pressed for the district probe, alleged the two hockey coaches have, over a period of years, engaged in bullying some players, a violation of school district policy. She also charged the district's investigation into the two coaches' conduct was incomplete because several people were not interviewed that she recommended.
Busch urged the board to terminate the two coaches.
Another parent, Sandra Holm, said she had witnessed trouble with the hockey program this year after attending all of the team's games. She contended that trouble included disunity among parents.
"I listened to coaches new and old scream annoyingly from the bench at players and arguing officiated calls during games," said Holm, the mother of three children, one who graduated from Roseville High School in 2009. "There were inconsistencies in the granting of privileges and punishments, all of which I personally witnessed and heard about while attending games and speaking to players afterwards."
Holm contended there was need for change to improve the high school athletics.
But another parent, Amy Peterson, spoke in favor of the two hockey coaches. "My boys have had a great experience in Roseville hockey," Peterson said. "I am having a hard time of hearing this (the complaints)."
Meanwhile, Mary Reis urged the school district to do something to combat "bully parents." Reis, of St. Paul and who had a nephew who played on the boys' team, said that bully parents, "their negative approach affects students. You need to stand up to parents who bully."
Kirsten Libby, a St. Paul attorney, said her law firm represents a group of parents and community members known as “Parents 4 Responsible Coaching.”
Parents 4 Responsible Coaching "was created in response to the alleged actions of employees of the Roseville Area School District," Libby said in an e-mail. "In November, 2011, an official complaint was made to the school district regarding the bullying committed by the boys hockey coaches."
Libby said her clients are frustrated at how long the district's investigation has taken. She said didn't know when the district would share its findings with her group.
"They may be able to do a closed door meeting at the School Board," Libby said Tuesday night in a brief interview with Patch. "But a district court is always a public forum," she said, alluding that her clients may consider legal action if they don't get the information they want.
623 parent
3:53 pm on Tuesday, April 24, 2012
(b) A public body shall close one or more meetings for preliminary consideration of allegations or charges against an individual subject to its authority. If the members conclude that discipline of any nature may be warranted as a result of those specific charges or allegations, further meetings or hearings relating to those specific charges or allegations held after that conclusion is reached must be open. A meeting must also be open at the request of the individual who is the subject of the meeting.
Pauletti can comment publicly if he wants. He can even ask that the board meet in open session to review the complaint.
John Kysylyczyn
5:47 pm on Tuesday, April 24, 2012
623 parent is correct. The board should state for the record that they did ask them if they wanted the meeting open and report the reply to the public.
There is also a statute I believe that states that the board is required to provide a summary of the general nature of the discussion. They have to give this at the meeting. I don't believe that the chair's comments in this article meet that requirement.
David
7:21 am on Wednesday, April 25, 2012
It's pretty obvious that some of the parents are only going to be happy with the Coaches resigning or being fired, with them forming their little witch hunt group "Parents 4 Responsible Coaching" I think it's time for them both to contact an attorney to inquire about Defamation, Libel and Slander.............
David S.
8:09 am on Wednesday, April 25, 2012
I attended the school board meeting last night and was impressed with the amount of data the first two parents provided documenting a long history of bullying complaints against these coaches and that there was even an intervention made several years ago to get the coaches to clean up their act. I too don’t get why this whole issue has dragged out for five months – if the timeline is right the complaint was filed even before the season started. Why didn’t the district take immediate action so that the team could have had a new coach and not had to play under the cloud of this investigation? And if the parent is correct that more kids were bullied this season, after the coaches knew they were the subject of a formal investigation, then I’d say that’s a huge legal liability for the district.
I didn't quite understand why a box of jackets were turned in - though it appears that phony orders from Top Shelf Athletics - the head coaches business were submitted to the school district and merchandise was not received even though the district paid for it. Allegations of fraud and stealing were also raised and are apparently part of this investigation as well. I think I also heard that the district lawyer did some kind of inventory which the parent claims failed to account for lots of missing stuff supposedly purchased from Top Shelf. Why is the school district buying stuff from a school employee - isn’t that a conflict of interest?
David S.
8:12 am on Wednesday, April 25, 2012
I ran out of space on my last post and wanted to add:
I found it interesting that the coach’s wife, who sat in the front row at the meeting, was acting like a teen drama queen during the parent comments. Her distracting side show of wild body gestures and animated comments to the folks she brought in with her were part of the reason I didn’t quite get all the information from the speakers. I think her inappropriate behavior did not help her husband’s cause at all.
B. Martin
5:04 pm on Sunday, April 29, 2012
The whole idea of buying equipment leads to all kinds of conflict. This is a firing offense all on its own. If true, any school personnel aware of the situation should be fired as well.
What if a parent would prefer a different vendor? Is doubt raised about the treatment of the child?
Jim H
9:11 am on Wednesday, April 25, 2012
Is, in fact, the school district making purchases from a business owned or operated by the coach? That might be a bit questionable, ethic-wise.
John Kysylyczyn
10:38 am on Wednesday, April 25, 2012
We had a similar situation going on back when I took office on the council in 2000. We had the parks department purchasing merchandise from a business that one of the council members worked for as a sales person. There were two conflicts that existed in that situation.
Was the council member getting a commission on merchandise sold? I was never able to determine that. This was a legal issue and an ethical one.
The second issue was whether it was ethical for the purchases to even occur.
I raised the issue and soon the purchases stopped.
If the district is making purchases from a business owned or operated by the coach, is this a problem? It depends. It may be ok if it is handled correctly. The problem is that I have little faith in the school board majority that it has been handled correctly.
Issues like this require full disclosure and a public discussion. Bids or price lists should be received to assure that this is the lowest bidder or the best value. A third party needs to be appointed to assure that merchandise ordered and paid for is received.
In my opinion, I believe that both sides should want a process like this. It not only protects the district, but it also protects the coaches. A bad process is only going to invite questions, rumors, and accusations.
Mike Murphy
5:13 pm on Wednesday, April 25, 2012
I was not at the meeting, nor do I have 1st hand knowledge of the accusations against the two coaches. I have just heard the same rumors that everyone else has. But a couple of the things posted in the comment section are worth a response.
I am on the Board for RAYHA – the local youth hockey association and have been on the district board. Through those two groups I have been involved in meetings where coaches and players were called in front of the board to speak about their conduct. Hearing your husband, wife, son, daughter, friend etc accused of anything you believe to be untrue is terribly uncomfortable. If one of the coach’s spouse was reacting with body language, I would not make anything of it. I am sure she believes that accusations are false and that the whole process is a load of baloney, if for no other reason than she loves her husband and believes in him. How can you fault anyone for that?
Also, I am not sure if the school, or the booster club purchased equipment from Top Shelf but the Youth Association does. Top Shelf has consistently taken care of RAYHA with very low prices on quality equipment. I would hate to go somewhere else and have to pay more solely because the owner was the coach at the High School. Holy smoke, hockey is pretty expensive as it is!
'Charlie'
7:29 pm on Wednesday, April 25, 2012
Were you authorized to speak on behalf of RAYHA? If so, perhaps you could also enlighten us on at least one instance when this coach was called in front of your board for his part in misconduct involving pushing down a 12-year old kid in anger? And especially include what his response was to the kid when the kid quoted his team's miserable record that year. If you aren't speaking on behalf of the RAYHA Board, and I doubt that you are, please clarify that you are one of 500? members, who may have had a much different experience, and leave all the others out of it. There is a lot more to all of this. Idle and/or blanket comments are not helpful. As a taxpayer in this District, I have a suggestion. Ask the tough question. Why is the Superintendent and Board allowing this to inflame publicly by their inaction? He and the School Board do not appear to be looking out for the best interests of anyone except themselves, not this coach, not other employees, and certainly not the families in this district.
But, there will be a winner here. In case you missed the fine print in the Burnsville District story, Maggie Wallner, their attorney and ‘our’ attorney is doing the RAS investigation, too. She charged Burnsville almost $30K to put them in the predicament they are in with the payout debacle for only 3 months of work. She has been doing our investigation for over 5 months. Duh! Winning!
Mike Murphy
11:01 pm on Wednesday, April 25, 2012
@ Charlie
I do not think anyone ever speaks for an entire organization. Nor did I ever claim to – so I am not sure where you got it. Now, I did say I was on the board, in fact I am still serving. I have put in hundreds of volunteers hours every year for the past five years in serving on the board – A fact you can check as I actually used my real name, and by going to the RAYHA page, you can find my all of my information. I do not hide my identity when I comment on a story.
Your scenario never ever happened. Jeff Pauletti was never called before the RAYHA board. And if he actually did push a 12 yr old, do you believe that he would be allowed back on the ice? That is the craziest thing I have ever heard! When you get your information 3rd hand, it is often inaccurate, as is the case here. I can add that Jeff was at a hearing/meeting a couple years ago, but your scenario is wrong. I can say that because I was there that night. We did not have a Charlie present. You should apologize to Mr. Pauletti for your accusation.
You noted that someone brought up his “team's miserable record that year” which can only lead me to believe that you personally do not think much of Jeff Pauletti’s track record as a coach. Otherwise you would have listed the actual record. If you want to take a shot at him for his record, that is fine go ahead. People are absolutely free to discuss his record, X’s and O’s and playing style. But to make up a story like that is irresponsible.
Mike Murphy
11:02 pm on Wednesday, April 25, 2012
I also ran out of characters.
I do not normally respond to anonymous criticism, but when the facts are so far from the truth, and Roseville being such a small community to leave the inaccuracies unaddressed would be a dis-service for Patch readers.
'Charlie'
10:17 am on Thursday, April 26, 2012
Thank you for clarifying for whom you spoke. My apologies if my intent to clarify was mistaken for criticism. Gratitude is due to you and the Busch’s for your long history of volunteer service for this community. Your quick response and that of the accused’s wife illustrate the point I failed to make. “His part in the misconduct” is not the same as he pushed. These kinds of allegations incite people to speak from the heart, first. It doesn’t matter if they know the facts or speak the facts. It’s personal. This community forum is just one breeding ground where community members are passionately taking sides against each other, detracting from where the focus should be – on our elected School Board members and the Superintendent. Why aren’t they working toward a swift and just resolution? Why is this taking over 5 months for them to not say anything other than quoting some statute that somehow justifies their closed door policy and protracted effort to figure this out. Everyone reading and/or responding for or against this coach, put your energies into holding our School Board and Superintendent Thein accountable for doing their jobs by putting the best interests of the families and this community at the forefront of their agenda. If they allow this to go on much longer, this community will be lucky when it’s finally over if the only thing this coach is called is crazy, and the only things you and these people are called are passionate and crazy.
Jen Pauletti
12:14 am on Thursday, April 26, 2012
This is Jen Pauletti, the teenage drama queen. I fully admit I was moving around in my chair and my arms were in motion. I am an emotional person and was surprised I didn't get up and blurt something out from the disgusting accusation Sandy and Felicia were stating. I am asking for people that don't know these women or the other side of the story not to make premature judgments. Jeff has been told not to comment on any of this. This has been the hardest thing in this situation. The fact is, Felicia’s youngest son did not make either of the high school team’s this year, so - - - - has hit the fan. If she was so concerned with the "bullying" going on for years, why wasn’t this issue brought up last year when their middle son was on the varsity and getting a lot of ice time; and she actually came up to Jeff after the banquet and thanked him an stated he had a good time. Hmmm. All of the people, to my knowledge, who have had complaints have stemmed from playing time, being benched for discipline reasons, not lettering, etc. They can say it is bullying, but what is bullying to me, may be something totally different to you. I, myself have coached three different high school sports; a total of 12 years. I have never wanted to be head coach because of "crazy" parents.
Jen Pauletti
12:14 am on Thursday, April 26, 2012
We have three children involved in sports and I also have not been a perfect parent, it is hard when you think something should be different, but to go to the extent that some of these parents have gone is really unbelievable. There is no such thing as a perfect coach and it is unrealistic to think that everyone can be happy all the time on the same team. The accusation that "Charlie" made is completely false. I also don't respect the fact that a person can't stand behind their real name. Too many people hide behind anonymous names. Anyone can do that as many times as they want. I say "man" up. Again, don't make a judgment until you hear both sides and I assure most everyone may have a different opinion other than the ones the disgruntled minority have. In conclusion, yes David S, I may have been acting dramatic, in your opinion, but if you knew for a fact that someone was making false accusations, you too may have the teenage drama queen come out in you.
ANONYMOUS NAME
10:45 pm on Friday, April 27, 2012
Really..... You are going to criticize someone for having to use an anonymous name. You "don't respect" somebody for doing that. Well, what repercussions is Mrs. Pauletti going to have for using her real name. Is the Varsity Coach going to take it out on your kids? Does "Jen Pauletti" have to worry about her kids not making the varsity team because of something she said? Does "Jen Pauletti" have to worry about her kids not getting enough playing time? Of course not! I am quite sure that your kids will end up on that varsity team, and get plenty of playing time, no matter what you say or wether they deserve to be there or not. Maybe you should start "respecting" other peoples situtations and their lack of the same priviledge that you have. Quite frankly, maybe you should bow out of the entire situtation, you are not helping Jeff's cause at all..... And as far as the "disgruntled minority", do you really think that people are going to voice their complaints to you? Of course not. That is why you still think they are a minority..... Signed, "ANONYMOUS NAME"
Scott Carlson
12:58 am on Thursday, April 26, 2012
There is a lot of raw emotion here, folks. I understand how difficult this situation is. Let's be civil here and focus on the issue and be careful about name calling etc. It appears there are going to be plenty of questions until the school district concludes its investigation (if it hasn't already) and provides the public with a statement on what it has found out.
Hockey dad
11:06 am on Thursday, April 26, 2012
We all have our own opinion about the current situation based on rumors, not even the coach's wife was at practices or in the locker room or where ever else the alleged things happened. But some of us do have first hand experiences with this coach and mine, like Charlie's are overwhelmingly negative.
Mike Murphy says that people are free to talk about Pauletti's record and playing style - well that is not true according to coach Pauletti. My kid was told parents are not allowed to comment on his coaching style. Ridiculous - yes, but individual kids are called out in front of the team if the coach's wife or her relatives report hearing anything negative in the stands during games.
But I digress - I don't think at this point it's worth flooding the school board or Thein's office with our own personal stories or observations, but I do think they need to be pressed on winding this up. I hate to know how much the school has spent on legal fees. The school board has other stuff to work on - and an overhaul in the leadership at the athletic department at the high school would be a good place to start.
ken reinecke
9:05 pm on Thursday, April 26, 2012
I think little Johnny,s mommy should have sighned him up for figure skating not hockey not everyone makes the team and you should not make the team because your last name or that your mommy thinks that you should. Work harder and earn it. Don,t blame the coaches that push kids to be better and earn what they get. Sit in the stands and cheer for the team and let the coaches coach.
623 parent
9:48 pm on Thursday, April 26, 2012
Ken
I have to say I did get a chuckle out of your post.
But Seriously
If hockey parents out there want their kid to “learn” how to skate? Absolutely, send them to a good figure skating coach. Hockey players that have been taught proper stroke, use of edges by figure skating instructors literally can skate circles around the kids brought-up exclusively through hockey.
There is a reason the most successful college and pro hockey teams have solid skaters….they have figure skating coaches on staff teaching them!
Back to Pauletti
Why does he not just step-up and put everything on the table…at this point why continue to placate to Wallner, and the board.
B. Martin
5:09 pm on Sunday, April 29, 2012
I object to your opening sentence; it is the same as name calling. If the allegations are true, no high school kid should have to take verbal abuse. High school sports are not win at all costs.
Jeanne Pauletti
1:52 pm on Friday, April 27, 2012
I am the coach's mother, although not a helicopter mother as this generation seems to have spawned. Other than saying Jeff has never, at any time in his life, been a bully, I won't comment further on that subject, as it should be obvious how I feel. However, I do want to comment on the fact that Kevin Busch actually and arrogantly stared down Jeff's mother-in-law at that meeting. I can guarantee that that good woman has done nothing to deserve that kind of hostility. That act itself can be construed as bullying. I also have to wonder what kind of woman goes after ... let's see ... HOW many coaches is this now? Baseball? Youth hockey? Varsity hockey? This is all very sad.
RRH for life
12:43 pm on Sunday, April 29, 2012
I played hockey and baseball at Roseville. did you guys ever hear of the Rosetown Legion baseball coach (palmer) being fired last summer? guess who had that done? Ms. Busch and she herself has been a "bully" to other parents just ask around you will find a hand full of stories. Not everyone can make the team, and when results don't show for your children you shouldn't look and dig for reasons to get good quality coaches fired from our Sporting teams. I have never seen or heard of any bullying from coaches or players, this includes many current and former students. These coaches have been providing their players with important life skills and I would not be where i am today if it wasn't for my hockey coaches and my teammates.
B. Martin
5:13 pm on Sunday, April 29, 2012
I have no knowledge of the behavior you attribute to Ms. Busch, but it is irrelevant. She is not the authority figure on the team. If any coach is a bully, he/she needs to be held accountable because players will not feel able to confront bullying done by the authority figure.
Rosevile Parent
3:45 pm on Sunday, May 6, 2012
Bullying is a serious issue, whether student to student, adult to student, teacher to student or coach to student. From the comments above some of you think it's a joke. Bullying is not throwing a garbage can or using bad language. A bully is very subtle in his or her actions and it is not typically a one time event. You should choose your words more wisely. Saying they should put on "their big boy pants." Speak to a parent who's child ended their life over being bullied and tell them their child should have put on their big boy/girl pants and see how that flies. A MN parent just lost a 13 year old child last week over being bullied. Shame on you and your comments.
Rosevile Parent
9:41 am on Monday, May 7, 2012
Apparently the bullying message was lost on some, it was once again catapulted into a personal attack. Both sides of this issue are completely guilty of this! The coaches were not addressed as being bullies in my comments. The ignorant, uneducated comments about bullying on this site were adressed. I understand some are passionate about supporting the coaches, and others are passionate about their feelings about these coaches. I hope that none of you or your loved ones are ever affected by bullies. Only then will you understand the full impact. The only people who truly know what went on are the kids that say they are/were bullied and the coaches. Everything else is speculation. Everone keep up the mud slinging, or better yet, have some integrity and be an adult!
Concerned Citizen
10:17 am on Wednesday, May 9, 2012
My Dad was a Hockey Coach for many years so I know it can be a thankless job. Often times you're damned if you do and damned if you don't. From everything that I've heard and read, Coach Jeff Pauletti was a good Coach and a stand up guy. Kids start out just wanting to play the game of Hockey but all too often it's the parents that step in and ruin it for everybody else."
Al Anonymous
10:28 am on Wednesday, May 9, 2012
This is not about bullying, This is about a mother who's child got cut from a sports team, and a mother, who almost every damn roseville parent could tell you, has a history of stirring the pot and making sure her children make every team, and play every minute or inning. This is all a damn shame if you ask me. Its sad to see what this world is coming to, and that such extremes can happen, and that people can ruin a whole sports program if their child doesn't make a team.